We write about stuff on this website and never thought it could be a job that we make actual money from. Honestly, we started the whole thing as a joke and now it's real. But working in the creative industries as 2 self-employed people has been a ride. And it’s funny saying that because no one is making us do this, but we came to love it and care about the work and realised we needed to figure out how to make it sustainable.


I know a lot of people just keep all this stuff to themselves, keep it a mystery. But we published our accounts pretty early on because we were getting invited into art schools to do lectures and every university offered a different speaker’s fee. It drove us a bit mad. Some would try to dip out on paying travel or say they could only pay us one fee that we would have to split between the two of us. As sooooon as we published our accounts, that ceased to be an issue, and not just with universities but with other people looking to hire us for anything. We could point at our public accounts here on this website and they would have to treat us properly. The other reason for publishing was because it’s just useful to have a reference for these things when so few speak about what they get paid in visual arts. So yep, hope it’s useful. Or if it isn’t useful, hope you enjoy having a nose. 




Patreon is something we have really come to rely on, and it feels so positive (and like... emotional?) that we are reader-supported. The freelance work we have done over the years has been tricky to administrate, plan for, and the income from freelance work fluctuates so much - honestly, look at the ACCOUNTS section below, travelling all around the country for £100. No more. Bad for the environment but also just bad business. This year, we are trying to move ourselves into a position where the freelance work we choose is more selective and most importantly something regular, so that we have a handle on what we are earning. We are working with Lover Management to figure some of this out and I never thought we would be Professional like that but… we are 25 now, ah, we can’t afford to not be earning more money. We want to finally capitalise on the size of our audience so we can bring more money in. Might be able to save up for a deposit on a house, pay a mortgage, buy a nice coat and a good dog. But also, how good would it be if we could Robin Hood some big names to fund content, pay guests, start The White Pube Art Fund or a writer’s prize. I would love that. I’m excited. Basically, the more money we earn and the more careful we are with freelance stuff, the more we can just keep writing at the centre of it all. We can spend the most time and energy on the texts. That's our aim :) 


For reference, the current work we do involves publishing a new text every Sunday here on the site. That’s four texts a month, two each, and we check over each other’s work like school lol. There is a written version, an audio one, and more recently we have been filming them for IGTV too. We post on Instagram daily, with endless stories and tweets too, and do a lot of admin to set jobs up for ourselves and others - mentor and help artists/writers as best we can; do a bit of work for free to help other platforms make content as well. The freelance work outside of the website includes things like talks, teaching and writing. We WANT to do a podcast as well, and we want to have our own art grant scheme of sorts. Rob from the rich and give to the poor. We’re trying. 


Zarina has a day job too but Gab’s has been stopped in quarantine :s


Thank you to all our Patreon gang and if you have any questions let us know, we are an open book >  

{ the only reason The White Pube can still exist is because some of our readers choose to support us each month via Patreon. We sometimes do talks n other jobs but Patreon is how we get paid for the actual writing here - the reviews, art thoughts and so on. it’s important to us to stay independent critics without ties to big funders or institutions, public or private. thank you for being our old timey patrons - we’ll do our best to produce quality output; write stuff that is thoughtful and sincere }